- How I met the first in Shibuya of the city is always around?

In Otsuka was born, it had been carried out junior and high school to school between Nippori Tokyo Tabata. Since that time is the era did not have a station of Nishinippori, it it was a Johoku direction of the children. Small time I remember came many times in Shibuya because it was like a planetarium. The second half of the junior high school, when it comes to per high school, was well went to DaiMoriDo's to look for a book to Shibuya. DaiMoriDo's memories guess there really. Shinjuku going to Kinokuniya's past the is, that somehow Do not hate because everyone is going to Kinokuniya, but perhaps it was a little perverse, Mr. DaiMoriDo of, until the end strange book align the way guess I did not hate. Toka trendy city like a now, kind of consciousness was not at all.

- After that?

Out of college, and employment, during which did not come so much in Shibuya. I'm lived in Paris from 1971. What was 72 years, in a weekly magazine that has been sent from was that? ... Japan 73 years, was the Seibu could be on top of the Shibuya Parco Theater (now "PARCO theater"), contemporary music Kokeraotoshi of Toru Takemitsu of "Music Today" when I saw an article that was, I received a kick ass and shock. And be such a thing in Shibuya, Kokeraotoshi is Toru Takemitsu. Tteyuu's what I, all of a sudden how Japan has changed between that do not know - has received such like impression. Part 1 I went back to Japan in about later years, "When was I do in Japan, this theater I want to do a recital in the" from an acquaintance in Paris is said to like a thing, relying on the Tsute of the people, at that time Take the material to the place of the Parco Masuda executive director, was presentation. This is, I think that it is the beginning of Shibuya and the edge. Then, but I think that it was before the summer of 1975, people like a contemporary music father of France of Erik Satie is not with anyone trying to do anything but died in July of 50 years ago. Since good, even from now, it supposed to be, or rather hurriedly do the event .... Rent a restaurant theater "King's Bench" of the location (Pabuparuko) there is now a zero gate, beat or Eric Satie's death 50 anniversary concert for many days, out of that time gathered human beings, only human beings who are not a music system I made to Ikebukuro was the Western art books shop "art Vivant" in.

- The concept of "Art Vivant" is Mr. Ashino became Otsukuri?

Yeah. And in Paris, luggage sent from Paris, at that time, still got caught in Haneda of customs, I have been once returned to Japan in order to solve the problem. At that time, the I Tteyuu came back that strange from Paris, Tsutsumi's been summed in (Saison group owner at the time), was to treat the rice or something Akasaka restaurant. But I think that it was the autumn of 1974, the reason was called in, in the middle of building a museum in Ikebukuro Seibu, Kedomo I'm trying to do a thing different from the museum at the museum until now, more foot It was that or not is something idea the way to spread the. If you or become feast a drink or become a rice feast, little or rather be forced to look at the tricks (laughs) .... Once was usually, "No, outrageous" the place to answer Fu Tteyuu, I I've said in there That was a bad move. "If was a museum, How do Nasaru the shop?" I "Do did not think until the shop". I mentioned I "Then, disguised as a shop, that whether you like Once you made the city most of the art books of the bookstore." It's had you saying I interesting, but its place in it. Stood about a week, that story, I me to realize since passed in the board of directors.

- That's now something very.

And then and go to Maruzen's, and or running around the art industry to various places, went to request the opening of as a tenant. But, wherever you go, everyone out by "in Ikebukuro Books do not sell", "art books are not sold in the Books," "limited to contemporary art in the art books?" ... Outrageous that story and did not you. However, as you know, probably early and start moving I department store. More and more design advances, will be more and more space. Of the total stainless steel-clad, it is Takashi Sugimoto's early work of Super Potato. So Toka Kimero soon the name of the shop, I come to say one after another that I do not know the reason. After all, it can be seen that do not fit are various calculations to try and profitability, "Well, if I got to," "such a thing can not department store" means that, Tsutsumi-san and I also put some in the capital, including a small subsidiary the we made. Anyway one to bring it up is supposed to say Everyone, something really become like an atmosphere said a bad thing ... after all, had been forced to do it to come back to Japan. It is the prehistory that was involved because (laughs) ....

- After all, on their own, So you were forced to run a store.

That's right. After all, everyone is for the first time is also a department store, for the first time also for business on their own, because everyone is also no state was doing a decent salaried worker experience. I also because it is human beings who fumbled a salaryman in half a year. It is a company called such for just were doing together.

- When I opened the lid, How was it?

It surprised. At the time, I thought the department stores Do not horrible, here is what also welcomed the opening of the time mean But morning 10 not advertise, and the elevator is open, is not it augh and the audience has come down. Even if you know the you also there is such a museum, because you do not know say there would be bookstore that lined the Books of art books next to it and Za', Kedomo I or a little surprised. Only those of one person, came directly toward the bookstore, I was sold the first book in 15 minutes or around 20 pm looking at the Ba' ... 10. At 13,800 yen of this, "Abrams version of" Burankuji ' ". Also remember now, I was happy enough tears.

- Since then, we mean business category is born a collection of book of contemporary art.

I agree. Thing called books, but it will be but it will be Books Computers, in person to the other store, but it is no longer 's product called buy it even in person to a small store. It's is very sad for the man who has done such a thing. But, I would like you to look at the medium, especially art of the book. I the middle, I thought I want to feel the touch Tatte not 's art. When you began NADiff in 10 years while ago, because I had become already in such era, Kedomo I thought what to do, but if there is no place Tteyuu seen the middle to open the cash, do not buy, buy is a subsequent issue, I do not it very lonely Nante is no place to touch anyway. So we started NADiff, but it is also a fact that is becoming more and more like that era. Because gone more and more bookstore's. Even if there is the same only this as the library, the different and the library, the library is going to borrow, it does not take so much money. But, it Tteyuu there is this is a trade to the shops, of which is because we browsed be those kind of expensive, if the feeling is riding, "What do you want to do, how to" it, and perhaps conflict occurs inside I think I think (laughs). Toka because of its high of, Toka whether the good suffer something this when you go to eat rice now, in many circumstances, I think in the wind that I want will enjoy the conflict of whether trying to buy now.

- Are you sure that you want to haunt in Shibuya any recently?

Yesterday, the day before yesterday, had a cup of this Saturday Shibuya (laughs). Shibuya'm I like, actually. It was on the second floor of the bar underground called "Tomi Hiroshi". I also like store of "heavy drinker Alley". Rather than a meal also, you better drink. In Shibuya, I remembered that it fails with one gimmick. The Bunkamura shop (NADiff modern) I "black cat" that true cabaret poster of Paris of the 1890s is are always over. On the other hand, the shop named with a focus on Belgian beer in Shibuya Parco underground "Idoropatto" There has been up to this May. Actually, am I named, it is but I was the name of the first literary cabaret in a world in Paris in the 1890s. Man who was doing there, close the shop, made a cabaret called "Black Cat" in the way of another human and Montmartre. Théophile Alexandre Steinlen is painted that poster, became quite famous poster. I have a kind of prehistory, but there is a restaurant called "The Black Cat," "Idoropatto" not far from there is the place. I thought the kana not you writing this fact someone (laughs) ....

- Do you now of Shibuya the city, how to capture?

Parco is after Tteyuu Donokono, Shibuya wax as was conscious of is, it is a two or three years before it can the United Nations University. And the ruins were discovered in the back of the United Nations University in architecture, there is a time when construction of that side had been temporarily stop. At that time, because we have the document on the person of the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, officials had prepared the United Nations University, I went to take it, saying, "I interesting things can be seen", look beneath the excavation site of the ruins that we were able to. Look at it, and a little raise the face, is not Shibuya of the other side of the station was able to overlook. We were aware of the terrain for the first time that Shibuya thing at that time. United Nations University of person, but it is the southern slope of the so-called Shibuya River. It descends from the temple Miyamasuzaka, so that the other side is also going up in Dogenzaka, that form. There is a river that Udagawa, at the so-called valley have realized that I'm became this way. Beneath which was looking at is the site where the ruins from the Yayoi period until the Edo period has been excavated. I do not that landscape is forgotten as seen in that time. At that time Shibuya River, I was conscious for the first time intensely. In other words, even the ruins that are deposited in the feet, precisely because the southern slopes of the Shibuya River, but it is not is not continue to live from long ago is so people. In turn the other side is, I think the valley is still the north slope. Here (NADiff apartment) is in also in a sense the north slope, but not at the bottom land of the north slope is around the Shibuya station. When you witness that reality, we realized the complexity of the fun of that Shibuya. It has evolved to a valley. Not is a little common thought. Yachi is, I'm the most is the last to come place. It also, though, such should be the city that never the way of so much good development, which I was thinking it Tteyuu would heck what do.